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WHICH COUNTRY IS BETTER TO RETIRE TO - The Philippines Vs Thailand

πŸ“… 2022-07-26⏱ 28:52
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Pea delivers a detailed comparison of the Philippines and Thailand as retirement destinations, drawing on her recent trip crisscrossing Thailand from north to south. She covers language, culture, infrastructure, cost of living, dating dynamics, and her overall gut feeling, talking to locals and expats along the way. Her conclusion: Thailand wins on quality of life, but the Philippines wins on human connection.

Language barrier is one of the biggest differences ​

  • Most Filipinos speak at least conversational English; many speak it well
  • In Thai cities like Bangkok, hospitality workers, taxi drivers, government officials, and cashiers speak decent English
  • Outside the cities, English ability "goes right off a cliff" β€” Pea struggled to get answers to simple questions like how much things cost
  • Translation apps were unreliable β€” what appeared on screen "bore no resemblance to anything I could make sense of"
  • Pea tried to film interviews with Thai locals but most were unusable because even simple questions took 10 minutes of translation and rewording; only fluent speakers like a taxi driver worked
  • Thai has 72 letters in its alphabet and Pea says every one "looks like a brain teaser"
  • Pea personally couldn't be with someone she can't joke with or discuss things with
  • Mentions a close expat friend who recently died from cancer; he chose Thailand for the conveniences and when asked about the language barrier, said he didn't care β€” he was fine with companionship without deep communication
  • Pea: "I wouldn't be interested in that kind of relationship, but to each his own"

Cultural differences ​

  • Thai society is more orderly, quiet, and reserved β€” people go about their business and don't interact with strangers
  • Unlike Filipinos, who are "nosy" and will walk up to strangers asking where you're from, your income, and if you're single
  • Appearances are very important in Thailand β€” people are generally well-dressed; women in skirts and dresses, men in long-sleeved shirts and slacks; even common people on the street "look like they're dressed to go on a date"
  • Thai women are taller and more slender than Filipinas and use more makeup
  • Pea observed couples in malls sitting in silence, not really talking β€” "very different from the Philippines; maybe we're just generally noisy people"
  • Less Western influence β€” no Air Supply or Beatles on the radio, few Western TV programs, and those that exist are overdubbed in Thai
  • Pea felt "a wall around Thai people that went beyond the barrier of language" β€” possibly culture shock, or possibly Thai people are just harder to get to know

Cultural do's and don'ts Pea learned ​

  • Don't cover dropped money with your foot β€” disrespectful because it bears the king's image
  • Don't say anything derogatory about the government or king publicly or on social media β€” can result in serious legal trouble
  • Don't point at anything with your foot or step over someone lying down (similar to Middle Eastern customs about feet)
  • Pea jokes: "If you're a Thai guy with a foot fetish you must be the lowest of the low"
  • Don't touch anyone's head or hair without asking β€” considered sacred and the cleanest part of the body
  • Don't be loud β€” you'll get disapproving glares even if no one says anything
  • Thailand's Grab app has a "silent driver" option where you can request no talking and no music β€” Pea thinks this is refreshing and wishes the Philippines had it
  • Music in stores is soft background/elevator music, not blasting from street corners like in the Philippines
  • Don't believe tuk-tuk drivers who say something is closed β€” it's a scam to divert you to a kickback shop; Pea knew about the scam, didn't buy anything from the diverted shops, and considers the 100 baht fare well-spent for the entertainment
  • Do haggle on items without price tags β€” locals say you can get 10-20% off, though Pea tried at Chatuchak Market and the night bazaar and it didn't work for her, even with the walk-away tactic; she speculates it's because she looks Thai rather than foreign

Infrastructure β€” Thailand is "about a generation ahead" of the Philippines ​

  • Highways are modern and roads in good condition
  • Traffic is orderly even in smaller cities β€” streets aren't choked with trikes, bicycles, pedestrians, dogs, cows, and goats
  • Thai drivers are polite β€” they let people merge, use blinkers, and nobody honks; in the Philippines "it's whoever can muscle their way in front"
  • Power: Pea has visited Thailand multiple times and never experienced a blackout; in Dumaguete her power goes out two or three times a week
  • Internet: strong signal almost everywhere including "in the middle of the jungle on the back of an elephant" β€” Pea doesn't have that good a signal in her own living room; speed roughly twice as fast as the Philippines
  • Healthcare: people who've lived in both countries gave Thailand higher marks; one person said Thailand was "orders of magnitude ahead in medical care" but Pea couldn't personally verify
  • Philippines advantage for US veterans: VA benefits provide virtually free prescriptions, which she thinks is a key reason some expats choose the Philippines
  • Thailand invests in modernization β€” even has floor-sweeping robots that greet you in some places

Cost of living ​

  • Average Thai income: $877 USD/month; average Filipino income: under $500
  • Thai prices for food and transportation are 10-20% higher
  • Restaurant meals average about $15 (higher in Bangkok); Filipino restaurants closer to $10
  • Thai street food is amazing with lots of variety and can save you money
  • Grocery shopping was surprisingly expensive β€” $50 bought very little, though they had items unavailable where Pea lives like fresh milk, good beef, and cheese
  • Rent: looked comparable to the Philippines, but expats say Thai rental prices have been rising; the gap between the two countries is narrowing
  • Pea's rule of thumb: if you spend $1,000/month in the Philippines, expect to spend about $1,300 for the same lifestyle in Thailand β€” but you get better infrastructure for that premium

Dating dynamics between Thai women and foreigners ​

  • Status is very important, and women are expected to marry up (same as Philippines)
  • Thai women are more practical and analytical β€” "more like accountants that look at the balance sheet to guide their decisions"
  • Filipinas have "naive optimism," fall in love quickly, and get their feelings hurt easily
  • Thai women don't let emotions decide everything until they've made their choice β€” doesn't mean they don't love their foreign partners
  • Wealthier Thai women (like wealthy Filipinas) are less likely to date foreigners β€” they won't compromise on looks, age, or status unless the man is already at their level
  • If dating a woman from a poor family, expect to pay a dowry (cash payment with agreed-on amount) and financially support the family, potentially forever
  • Key structural difference: in Thailand, the burden of supporting parents falls on the youngest unmarried daughter; in the Philippines, it's supposed to be the eldest child of either sex β€” though all children are ultimately expected to contribute
  • Critical distinction in how this plays out: Thai women discuss financial expectations upfront, "show you the price tag in advance, like a relationship prenup"
  • In the Philippines, Pea says bluntly: "We try to smuggle it into the relationship. We don't really tell you that our ultimate goal is to have you support our entire clan. We'll start out slow with things like family emergencies and loans until one day you wake up and you realize you're the family's piggy bank"
  • Poor provincial Thai girls (especially from the north) will date foreigners and accept larger age gaps
  • Thai women in cities are generally more sensitive to age gaps than Filipinas β€” Pea didn't see any 60-year-old men with 25-year-old women in Thailand, whereas that's common in the Philippines
  • Realistic age gap with a Thai woman: probably no more than 10-15 years younger
  • Language barrier complicates dating β€” Pea watched foreigners try to pick up Thai women and they had to use extremely simple words; several Western men who approached Pea were visibly relieved when they realized her English was fluent
  • Thai men didn't approach Pea β€” she was told she "looked high" (high status?), or possibly she doesn't fit their beauty standard, or they show interest differently

General impressions of Thailand ​

  • No longer required to wear masks except in subways and malls (Philippines still required them at time of filming)
  • More foreigners in Thailand, and many were younger (20s-40s) with Western wives and families β€” likely there for work
  • More single Western women than in the Philippines, where female backpackers are rare and just passing through
  • Cleanliness: hardly any trash anywhere; stores have spotless windows; 7-Elevens are constantly being wiped and polished β€” "obviously been ingrained in the public consciousness"
  • Very few stray animals β€” Pea asked locals if they eat dogs and they said no, they just have good animal control rules and shelters
  • Fewer beggars, likely due to better economic situation
  • A pervasive sense of freedom: no guards at every door, no constant ID checks; you can walk into a Thai airport without showing your ticket first (unlike the Philippines where you wait in line just to enter the building); malls don't inspect your bags; everything moves quickly and efficiently β€” Pea "never felt like I was being herded like cattle"

Pea's bottom line β€” an analogy ​

  • Thailand is "the successful older brother who breezed through college and already has a great job"
  • The Philippines is "the obnoxious little brother, like a Ferris Bueller, who always manages to get in trouble but somehow you have to love him anyway"
  • There's something about Filipino people that makes them warm, friendly, and easy to bond with that Pea felt was missing in Thailand
  • She acknowledges this might be because she's Filipino herself, or there may be cultural differences keeping Thais at arm's length
  • Her preference: "I'd rather live in a country where I felt close to the people, even if we have to spend half our lives waiting in lines"
  • Her proposed hack: "Choose your partner in the Philippines, then go live in Thailand"
  • Final stance: there's no objectively better country β€” it depends on what you need to be happy

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